Don't Pussy Out

HERE'S AN INTERESTING THREAD FROM THE 30/30 FORUM. THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS SIMPLE: DON'T PUSSY OUT.

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IRON TOM WROTE

question for Brad: learning a thousand routines to substitute for life experience

i'm realizing something really interesting about repertoire

what i'm realizing is that if you can really act a routine, it starts to become part of your identity. all you got to do is sink in and and act, and to most intents and purposes you really do become the character in the routine, simply by dint of the fact that you are acting the part. it doesn't really matter whether you are or are not what the routine claims you to be in any sense other than the fact that you are able to act it: even if you really could hold a legitimate discussion about the topic, and you really were that person, it would be conversationally counterproductive to do it anyway because that would be bragging. tried and tested routines are already the distillations of these identities into their conversationally useful forms. beyond that point you would just withhold information anyway.

if you can act the Secret Spots routine, you actually are a sexual expert guy in 99% of respects. even if you went out and spent fifty years trying every possible sexual experiment, you would still be using the Secret Spots routine, because that is the most conversationally useful presentation of the most conversationally interesting information you would ever find pertaining to the identity of the sexual expert guy. if there were anything better it would have trickled in to the community literature by now.

now i am not proposing routines can replace an actual identity. i do think there needs to be a real directioned identity with real accomplishments.

but your identity is just the organizing principle of your life experiences, and internalizing a good routine pretty much DOES give you (to 99% of purposes, as explained above) a MASSIVE chunk of life experience. so although a routine cannot be the organizing principle (identity) itself, it can add gravity to whatever that organizing principle is. if you walk around with these routines on the tip of your tongue, improvise off them and interpret events relative to them, they will become more and more real. if the Secret Spots routine were part of your repertoire, even if you never said it, it would still inform your mindset and give you the quiet confidence almost the same as if you'd spent years and years figuring it out.

a lot of people find it difficult to learn routines, so it's efficient for them to fall back to whatever extent on personal experience.

but i find it difficult to fall back on personal experience, because up till now in my life i don't like the experiences i've had for the most part. to me it would be way faster to learn a lot of routines than to spend decades building an entirely new catalogue of life experiences to rest my conversational engine on. i will do the latter as well,

but it will take years and years. i feel like there should be a faster route to conversational virtuosity. this is my best bet.

i imagine a true conversational superpower -- a guy with a good identity who's spent forty or fifty years living a challenging life stretching him in all directions -- would have a conversational power base equivalent to roughly that of 1,000 good routines. note, each one of these "routines" is not equivalent to an expression of his IDENTITY, but to an expression ONE relatively MINOR aspect of his life experience; the identity is some organizing principle under the summation of all 1,000 of those chunks.

so my proposal is that one could become a conversational superpower directly by choosing 1,000 good routines. the treatment (more doable and therefore more effective than the treatment to "go out and get forty years of awesome life experience") might be to simply recite each of the thousand routines to oneself once per month, as if acting, and sarge as normal.

what is your take on this whole idea?

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Brad P. wrote:

My take is that you are correct in theory, a good routine does give you just as much conversational power as massive life experience, for those few moments where the routine is hitting the girl and she is responding to it.

For guys without much good life experience, routines will certainly catapult you forward like nothing else.

1000 routines is beyond the capacity of human memory, so while theoretically sound, learning 1000 routines would not be practical.

Reciting them to yourself doesn't do much for some reason. It never works, so don't even bother. You have to do them in front of live women in real situations. The way to learn routines is to take 2 new ones per day, go in field with them, and do them each 5-10 times each while sarging. Then at the end of the week you keep the ones that worked, and throw out the ones that didn't. Not every routine works for every guy, so you've got to do some filtering.

If you use that process, and rack up even 20 routines per month, your conversation skills will be LETHAL after 3 months, when you have 60 routines. But....there will still be lots of little intangibles that you will need in order to get laid. It's not all about just having good conversational skills. You've got to have dominance, identity (at least a little), and escalation skills. Also, you've got to have great sexual inner game, or none of it will work. You've got to believe that women love sex and that sex is healthy and normal.

The old "human tape recorder" thing, where you just sit and shotgun a bunch routines at a girl non-stop...this can work. It can help newbies quite a bit. If you do that for a few months, you will fill in the blanks on a ton of things you don't understand about women. Add in some listening skills and kino on top of that, and it's even better.

To me, the real bummer of it all is that people just don't do this much. In the UDS cd set- http://bradp.com/underground-dating-seminar, I'm handing people 50-60 great routines, and people just don't learn them or don't use them. Most guys learn them, then when they get in set they self sabotage by pussying out in some way, like saying "well she's not into me" or "she doesn't like this part" or they want to use the routine and then puss out, saying "aww i couldn't do that, it wouldn't be congruent." If guys would just hang in there and shot gun routines at chicks until the chick either fucks you or walks away, that would be a big step forward for most people.

Brad P.

30/30 Founder

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Dylan McKay wrote:

great explanation

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Cowboy wrote:
Join Date

Brad, the more you post the more impressed I am of you as a PUA.

Are there any other openers like HG (other than seafood girl)? I really like HG!! Its a big reason why I joined the 30/30 club. What I like most about it is that it filters out the girl very quickly, and it takes a lot of balls to use. Its an opener that is unlike an other I've seen.

Where do I find the UDS cd set? (http://bradp.com/underground-dating-seminar)

I'm one of those pussy's, and I don't like it. I use my opener and sometimes eject right away. I've done this a lot and usually say "She wasn't into me" and sometimes right away she isnt but I've been in sets before where the girl isn't and then by the end..she is. Somtimes I run a couple routines which is usually my drunk I love you's routine or my self made routine. If I want to raise my value I'll run Mystery's 1-10 routine or pull out my magic. I tend to use what I can remember. Sometimes I just ask the girl if she wants to go home with me and that seems to give the girl a shot of attraction, but yet I still screw it up. For example I run into this server girl (I didn't know she was a server girl at first because it was like the half a second from when I saw her and opened) Ran my routine asked her if she wanted to go home with me which she liked, did my magic, and then we just clicked on every single commonality she would bring up. I ejected like a pussy. She even came back around to me at the end of the night,( like hello I'm ready to go home with you now I'm giving you the Green LIght) and I blew it. I pussy out of sets all the time when really I've already done the hardest part which is open in the first place. It can be discouraging.

And if the girl is distracted or doesn't give me her full attention I tend to eject. I feel like she should respect me more or sometimes I feel like I am being needy if the girl isn't giving me her full attention and I stay standing there. I'm not sure why I get this feeling that it is time for me to leave but I do.

I need to take a one on one.

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Iron Tom wrote-

ok so sounds like 60 is the number, for those of us who really need to hammer it

OPENERS (5)
ATTRACT (5)
STORIES (2)
COMEDY (3)
RAPPORT (3)
KINO (4)
ESCALATION (3)
ISOLATION (2)

that's a total of 27. for 60 i'm gona do double that plus an extra 6 stories

OPENERS (10)
ATTRACT (10)
STORIES (10)
COMEDY (6)
RAPPORT (6)
KINO (8)
ESCALATION (6)
ISOLATION (4)

that sound about right?

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Brad P. wrote:

Cowboy- yes this is exactly what Im talking about. For the majority of students, the main problems is pussying out. In one form or another, everyone just pussies out. Some guys pussy out by not even going out in the first place, and in their head they say "waaaahhh I dont have a wing and I can't sarge alone."

Some guys go out and stare at girls but don't open, and they say
"waaaahhh this opener is scary, and she looks like she's busy, and I bet her boyfriend is here etc"'

Some guys pussy out on staying in set, or escalating, or getting a number, or kissing the girl. There's always a way you can pussy it out seems.

If you read Diary of a Pickup Artist, you'll see that there's almost always major resistance from somewhere. The girl is NEVER going to give you a huge blinking sign that she's interested. You'll always be getting CBed or tested, or having the girl stare into space. It never goes smooth. It's always a bumpy road. I've always tried to be clear about this from day 1 of my teaching and from the very first communications I have with each and every student. We say it in the workshops "The main thing this WS will give you is a lot more balls, even if you forget everything else."

I think at this point, everyone gets the idea that once you handle all the 3030 stuff- ID, presence, etc....you can get laid if you just go out and open 10 sets a few times a week, find a live one, chill with her for a few hours and escalate. It aint rocket science. But getting to the point where you dont get negative or pussy out is the hard part, and I'm sure it always will be. So me and the coaches plan on continuing to teach that for a long long time.

Iron Tom- 60 would be a real nice collection. I think the upper upper limit is around 80 or 100. If you had 60, I'm pretty sure you would be the only guy in the entire 30/30 club or PUmansion with 60 routines. It takes a lot of dedication to get 60 routines down. Its a huge undertaking. That would amazing if you could do it. I should create some kind of award for anyone who can get 60 routines internalized haha.

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Lithius wrote

ja ja ja we should post what brad just said as a sticky titled WAAAHH IM A PUSSY.. ha ha great stuff fearless leader always great stuff...